*:Thank you for the feedback. I understand the notability concerns and acknowledge the conflict of interest guidelines. I’m refraining from editing the article directly moving forward and will instead suggest improvements or sources through discussion.
I would like to highlight that the subject has been featured in multiple independent and reliable sources anda reputable news outlets in the Philippines, including:
These sources offer significant, independent coverage on the subject’s work in filmmaking and public recognition. I am open to any improvements needed for neutrality and formatting.
Thank you for the feedback. I understand the notability concerns and acknowledge the conflict of interest guidelines. I’m refraining from editing the article directly moving forward and will instead suggest improvements or sources through discussion.
I would like to highlight that the subject has been featured in multiple independent and reliable sources anda reputable news outlets in the Philippines, including:
These sources offer significant, independent coverage on the subject’s work in filmmaking and public recognition. I am open to any improvements needed for neutrality and formatting.
Thank you for your time and consideration. Please give this article a chance for improvement. I'm open for dicussion.
Thank you, Vegantics, for raising the concerns. As an independent editor reviewing this case, I wanted to note that there are several reliable, non-trivial sources that cover Emille Joson and her filmmaking work:
ABS-CBN News (Escuadro, 2024): Profile and gratitude interview with Joson
Philippine Daily Tribune (Escuadro, 2025): In-depth article on casting choices in Adivino
Manila Standard (2024): Feature on Joson’s fusion of style and social storytelling
LionhearTV (2024): Direct interview about Adivino and her career
These are not press releases or paid-only coverage — they are from established media outlets, with original reporting on the subject. Additionally, the article could benefit from citation cleanup and a clearer alignment with WP:NPOV and WP:FILMMAKER.
While I acknowledge earlier issues raised regarding COI, I believe the article can be improved rather than deleted, as it appears to meet notability standards with the presence of multiple reliable sources. I’m happy to assist with any needed restructuring. CineBantay (talk) 19:03, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Probably delete. I am sure she is an excellent filmmaker, but the current article is promotional. I am not familiar with the sources provided, they appear to be all local news sources in the Philippines, are they considered reliable? Multiple maintenance templates added by others have been removed without justification by one or more of the article creators. Caleb Stanford (talk) 19:52, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
sockpuppetry
*:DO NOT DELETE- As an independent editor, I’d like to clarify that the sources used in the article including ABS-CBN News, Philippine Daily Tribune, Manila Bulletin, Malaya Business Insight, and LionhearTV, are among the major national media outlets in the Philippines, with established reputations for news reporting, cultural coverage, and public interest stories.
ABS-CBN News and Current Affairs is one of the country’s largest multimedia networks, known for credible journalism and regularly cited across Wikipedia articles covering prominent Filipino figures.
Manila Bulletin, founded in 1900, is the Philippines’ oldest English-language newspaper still in circulation, and is widely considered a paper of record.
Daily Tribune (Philippines) is a respected broadsheet providing current affairs, politics, and media coverage with a focus on national relevance.
Malaya Business Insight is a long-running publication known for its political, economic, and societal reporting. It often covers public advocacy, governance, and community initiatives, making it a relevant source for socially-driven topics.
LionhearTV, while focused on entertainment, is widely referenced for film, media, and celebrity coverage in the Philippine context. It is also used in other Wikipedia articles involving Filipino creatives and media figures.
These sources are considered reliable by Philippine journalistic standards and are frequently used in existing Wikipedia entries about Filipino public figures. While they may not all be widely recognized by international editors, they fulfill notability and verifiability requirements within their national context. The article has also been revised to better adhere to Wikipedia’s neutrality and citation standards. CineBantay (talk) 20:14, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes 100% agree, these are considered reliable sources. Good one you tagged their own Wikipedia articles. I grew up watching Filipino films, and there’s a platform called TFC abroad which is owned by ABS-CBN. I also heard Dolly De Leon who is now a Hollywood Actress Filipina has done film under the network too called Star Cinema, they are the largest and most trusted networks in the Philippines they have everything from news, production everything. Meanwhile, Publications like Manila Bulletin and Philippine Daily Tribune are long-established national newspapers they are everywhere in Manila. So yeah! These media outlets are widely read and respected in the Philippines! BrianStanleyFilmGeek (talk) 21:10, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
RETAIN- Hi, I’m a relatively new editor and just happened to come across this article about Emille Joson while reading about Southeast Asian filmmakers. I’m Filipino-British, so I was naturally interested to see if any local talents were being recognized on Wikipedia! Hmm! I understand and respect the need for strict notability and sourcing guidelines, but I wanted to share my perspective. The sources cited like ABS-CBN News, Manila Bulletin, Philippine Daily Tribune, Malaya Business Insight, and LionhearTV are actually among the most respected and widely circulated media outlets in the Philippines. They’re commonly used as references in other articles about public figures in our country. Just because they’re unfamiliar internationally doesn’t mean they lack reliability in their local context. From what I’ve read, Emille Joson seems to have made a strong impact in the independent film scene and has even been part of a Metro Manila Film Festival entry, which is one of the most prominent platforms for Filipino filmmakers. Her advocacy for women’s issues and humanitarian work is also covered with cited sources, and the article doesn’t strike me as promotional, it’s just telling her story. I hope this doesn’t come across the wrong way, but I do wonder if unfamiliarity with FILIPINO MEDIAor culture is affecting how this article is being evaluated. Hopefully not as anyone can speak about the website for it especially LGBT Filipino, but I felt it was worth saying. Thanks to all the editors working to keep standards high while also allowing space for global voices. For me I think this article should not be deleted. It was cited properly. BrianStanleyFilmGeek (talk) 20:50, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
:::As an uninvolved and a fellow Filipino and a law student, independent editor with no personal connection to the subject, I’d like to respectfully address the concerns raised.
On LionhearTV: The concern regarding LionhearTV’s reliability is valid and consistent with WP:LIONHEARTV. That source has since been removed from the article, and it is no longer cited.
On the Use of Kiko Escuadro’s Work: While Kiko Escuadro is a recurring byline, the publications in which his work appears ABS-CBN News, Philippine Daily Tribune, or Standard (which are not a similar report) are well-established and editorially independent. These are recognized national-level news outlets in the Philippines, with rigorous journalistic standards. The fact that a reporter appears across outlets does not inherently invalidate the independence of each publisher.
On WP:ONESOURCE and WP:INTERVIEW: The current article relies on multiple sources, from different editorial boards, including Manila Bulletin, Manila Standard, Daily Tribune, and ABS-CBN. These demonstrate significant coverage from reliable, independent, and not self-published sources. While some citations include interviews or profiles, they are not promotional in tone and are treated with due editorial care. Furthermore, WP:GNG does not require lengthy articles, awards, or academic citations—just substantial, reliable coverage, which this subject meets.
On Article Length: A short biographical article does not equate to a lack of notability. Many articles, especially for filmmakers or cultural workers from non-Western contexts, begin as stubs and expand over time through community collaboration. Wikipedia’s mission includes global representation, and cutting short coverage of figures from outside Western media ecosystems risks systemic BIAS.
Cultural and Regional Context: Filipino outlets such as ABS-CBN, GMA Network, Manila Bulletin, and Malaya Business Insight are considered highly credible in their home country. ABS-CBN, for instance, is cited in thousands of Wikipedia articles and is comparable in standing to national broadcasters like PBS (U.S.) or CBC (Canada). Evaluating these sources through a U.S.-centric lens may unintentionally discount non-Western notability.
In conclusion, the article, while modest in length, satisfies notability through multiple, independent, reliable sources, has undergone recent improvements to tone and structure, and now avoids previously flagged references. Continued editing and collaboration are welcome, but deletion may not be warranted at this time. It can still improve since Joson is still actively doing films. BrianStanleyFilmGeek (talk) 22:04, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ONESOURCE ignores multiple publishers; if it's written by one person, it falls under this.
WP:INTERVIEW ignores how "good quality" a reference is. A hypothetical interview to Joson by the The Times of London falls under this. Any pronouncements by Joson is WP:PRIMARY.
Account age and past participation in other AfD discussions suggests that this user is legitimate, although I agree that reiterating the same faulty logic of banned users is a bad look. One could speculate that it's a case of meatpuppetry, but I doubt it. Vegantics (talk) 18:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I won't be using CheckUser on Artus Sauerfog Dark-Eon as they aren't recently created, and they have participated in AfDs before as Vegantics says. PhilKnight (talk) 19:30, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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